Someone just offered me a spirit xz-25F which is the full body steiny but it's fretless and a 5er. It would be my first 5er so maybe I could tune it E-C or E-B (I don't know why more people don't tune the second way) just to get used to the neck. I doubt I'll get it cause I'm expecting to pay $200ish for it, and I'll bet he won't go that low. But We'll see.