This place is the best!

Thanks to Eric & everyone for making this site the most open minded and only bass trem site in the entire galaxy!






Negitivity is left at the door, only creative openess.

Hear, hear!

Ya I love this place too. Even more than I love UG. And I love UG. I think its because its so small and close knit, but so active. I mean, we've got 20 users, and 7 or 8 regulars plus some semi regulars. I joined a Bass VI forum once, its got like 100 people and 0 regulars. Thats a pretty rare combination. And we all get along so well, despite differences in age, location, tastes, and music (ok most of us are metalheads of one variety or another, but its pretty hard to get the different types of metalheads to agree on ANYTHING music related). I almost feel like I know you guys in real life.

Yeah that's an interesting observation, KS. identifying with people...that's a two-sided coin for me. In one way, I love every metal head for just that reason, you know? But at the same time, the number of ways people interpret the same thing are as varying as the people interpreting it...and here, I think that we are all on the same page. We see eye-to-eye for the most part and that's what makes it special to me.

I have been thinking about this for a while and I sent out some invitatrions to other Free thinking bass players to join the site.

I think you dont have to be a trem user to be here, but an "open minded" musician who happens to use a bass guitar.


Experimentation with your bass & what you can do with it is what this site is about. Sustainers, new pickups & effects go hand & hand with tremolos.

I can't think of any other sites that nurture creativity & experimentation like this place does, without getting judgemental or all negitive on what people try.


I get so tired of negitivity & closed minded thinking. It just kills your creativity.

UG is for the 17 year old kids that brag they just bought an 2007SX to replace their 2008SX and lost 150 dollars in the deal
TB is for the FenderFools who cut you down for owning a Sedowsky because it is "just a copy"


UG= ultimate garbage
TB= too bad (if you dont own a Fender)

but here, or any SMALL board, it is much more controlled, and no negativity no matter what you do or have.

amimbari wrote:

but here, or any SMALL board, it is much more controlled, and no negativity no matter what you do or have.

Except for when we're talking about other large guitar forums...then we have no love.

Yeah, you're mostly right...but I have seen some really great, constructive, threads on TalkBass lately that almost make me want to hang around there more.

Barklessdog wrote:

I can't think of any other sites that nurture creativity & experimentation like this place does, without getting judgemental or all negitive on what people try.


I get so tired of negitivity & closed minded thinking. It just kills your creativity.

I feel you, man. It would be really great to have some more people here to help liven it up a bit when it gets quiet!

Thank you everyone!

(takes a bow)

I don't think this place has any special mojo about it, other than the combination of great people. It really isn't anything that I have done, or continue to do, that makes this place what it is. I just laid the groundwork. It is all of you that make this forum so special.

And absolutely YES! Everyone and anyone is welcome here! I don't care if they use a bass trem or not, or even play bass at all for that matter. There's no reason why bass tremolos have to always be the focal point of this site, but can branch out into other "unusual" arenas of playing, just as Barkless suggested.

I think one of the things that sets BTF apart from somewhere like TB is that we don't have a problem with "elitists" here, meaning that we don't have people here whose only purpose in life seems to be to trumpet their own horns while criticizing and judging other players. Sure, there are a lot of great people on TB, and other sites as well. But I recall a few pointed comments indirectly sent my way, and I decided that if the folks that run TB are going to allow bashing and ridicule, then it wasn't the place for me to be. I further decided when I created this place that I would not allow such things in my house.

You guys all know me by now. I'm easy going and casual. I just want it to be fun, you know? But I will not ever tolerate any sort of "holier-than-thou" BS from anyone. Suggestions are great. Judgment is not. We are all still learning, no one knows it all, and if anyone ever tries to join that starts acting like they think their s&%t don't stink, I will ban them quicker than you can blink.

This is a place for sharing ideas, for growing, and for telling war stories, and I consider everyone here all valuable contributors to those ideals. And like Kugelspot said, I feel like I really know you guys, and that you are all my close friends. It doesn't matter that we have, for the most part, only met and spoken through the internet. I get so much from all of you, and there aren't enough words for me to properly express my gratitude to all of you for enriching my life.

Cheers, Guys!

Hey speaking of "you don't need to own a bass trem" and "we should branch out into other unusual styles of playing," did anyone else notice that Jauqo III-X joined the site?

i'de like to personally thank all of you.

i joined this site because its origin is specificly derived from the kahler bass tremolo system. i did some research and decided i wanted one (and met eric online and joined here in the process). except for here ... i really couldnt find much information anywhere, not even from kahler, on the specifics, dimensions, technicals or installation of a kahler.

i think meeting all the other people who had installed them and use them regularly encouraged me that i could piece it together enuff info and install one too. that picture that eric showd me with the guy putting the recessed routed trem install on that ken smith bass was a huge help ... as both the installs that i've done have been recessed.

and the, even more information, that i've gained from all of you, either direcly or indirectly with direction by links, has inspired me to take on other luthier projects that without, i would have been subject to just buying the mass produced basses that chain music stores offer or having work done by hack, overpriced so called "luthiers" in my area to get something extra. we discuss kahlers, pickups, necks, frets, tools, routing, electronics, effects and all kindsa other crazy stuff. i dont like typical, i dont like what these companys offer me (fender and ibanez come to mind) and i dont like to just have to settle. the information that i've gotten from all of you has inspired me to take an extremely typical bass like this .............



and rebuild it into this ............



i love this bass. i played it onstage the other night, and lots of people asked about it ... and wanted one. this bass belongs to all of us!

thanx.

Kugelspot wrote:

Hey speaking of "you don't need to own a bass trem" and "we should branch out into other unusual styles of playing," did anyone else notice that Jauqo III-X joined the site?

I have been talking to him and invited him as he was part of the reason I had the idea. He is free thinker and would be a great addition in my opinion. He is also humble in my opinion. I think I could learn a lot from getting inside his head, much like you guys have broadened my horizons, which is what the Kahler & this site does for me.

Turns out he owns a bass with a hipshot tremolo.


I hope he hangs around from time to time. To me this place is a breath of fresh air.


Most people here are into metal, which is great (I am as well), but we all like other genres and would be cool to get other bassists input or ideas.

Jauqo's Low C theory, really sound confusing to me on my first several listens. I just did not "get it". Then one day at work, while working it played and the music seeped into me subconsciously (not sitting down and analyzing it, like I usually do). I ran to the computer to see what this cool music was and it was Low C theory.

I never really thought much about how one "attaches" oneself to certain genre or style of music.

Typical Music with hooks attaches immediately, but is short lived, as I tire of it quickly. When I took bass lessons years ago (always from a guitar teacher) one guy taught me how to listen to mainstream jazz which really requires you to follow the foundation to understand the complex soloing.

With Low C theory that did not work for me. I never thought of understanding something by not thinking about it.


To me it was a musical revelation and thanked Jauquo for the cool music and the experience itself.

madmike wrote:

i'de like to personally thank all of you.

i joined this site because its origin is specificly derived from the kahler bass tremolo system. i did some research and decided i wanted one (and met eric online and joined here in the process). except for here ... i really couldnt find much information anywhere, not even from kahler, on the specifics, dimensions, technicals or installation of a kahler.

i think meeting all the other people who had installed them and use them regularly encouraged me that i could piece it together enuff info and install one too. that picture that eric showd me with the guy putting the recessed routed trem install on that ken smith bass was a huge help ... as both the installs that i've done have been recessed.

and the, even more information, that i've gained from all of you, either direcly or indirectly with direction by links, has inspired me to take on other luthier projects that without, i would have been subject to just buying the mass produced basses that chain music stores offer or having work done by hack, overpriced so called "luthiers" in my area to get something extra. we discuss kahlers, pickups, necks, frets, tools, routing, electronics, effects and all kindsa other crazy stuff. i dont like typical, i dont like what these companys offer me (fender and ibanez come to mind) and i dont like to just have to settle. the information that i've gotten from all of you has inspired me to take an extremely typical bass like this .............



and rebuild it into this ............



i love this bass. i played it onstage the other night, and lots of people asked about it ... and wanted one. this bass belongs to all of us!

thanx.

This is the otherside of this place I love- Hot rodded basses as tools for your playing.

here's a nice 1986 Charvel model2 on Ebay this week. Since I am broke, I hope someone will buy it, and display it proudly on THIS board, or maybe I'll see it somewhere and tell them to join the BTF. For the price it's not bad considering the cost of the Kahler, and the case all for 4 bills BIN, that leaves about 150 for the bass, and the rest is the case and Kahler. ( I need another bass like another hole in the head ), so it won't be coming to my house, that's for sure.

I actually told the folks here that if I sell my red model1, I'll use that money to buy a Kahler and toss it on one of my black basses.

A Kahler on a white 2B/3B is the classiest looking thing, man.

although you are correct Martin, MM's blue beast (without a Fenderhead naturally), is VERY attractive

the 2x2 heads just stay in tune better.

... but i like how they look better than 4 in a row heads now.