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PostSubject: finally I took the plunge..   Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:59 pm

so, I join this awesome and knowledge-full tremolo bass enthusiasts board on 30 May 2011
it took about one and half year with all back and forth try to convince myself to put a kahler on my main bass..
especially for madmike, ericH, amimbari, for the encouragement, so the kahler 7415 is on it's way to Jakarta, Indonesia cheers



can't wait to get this baby and add it to my bass!
please walk with me, what I needed now is a guidance to install it.. I've read the installation guidance ay kahler website, but I need some more simply and "to the point" kind of explanation/guidance

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the pic was a kahler 7415 template from the website, the bridge was stock, definitely have to countersunk the whole kahler because I want to get the lowest action possible..
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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:10 am

Lemme know when you get it and ill walk you thru it.

You got a router or dremel with a plunge base?
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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:02 pm

SPYD3R #9 wrote:
so, I join this awesome and knowledge-full tremolo bass enthusiasts board on 30 May 2011
it took about one and half year with all back and forth try to convince myself to put a kahler on my main bass..
especially for madmike, ericH, amimbari, for the encouragement, so the kahler 7415 is on it's way to Jakarta, Indonesia cheers

AWESOME, Bro! We're here to help! Wink

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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:45 pm

madmike wrote:
Lemme know when you get it and ill walk you thru it.

You got a router or dremel with a plunge base?

no, i don't have any router or dremel, but my technician will help me

EricHaven wrote:
AWESOME, Bro! We're here to help! Wink

this is disaster!! the kahler just arrived but it was the wrong item!! Mad



i ordered a 7415, it supposed to had a 7415-7416 template and wide string spacing (my bass had 19mm string spacing)
but the item that sent to me was kahler 7410 template with 5 saddles, Mad
i've contact the seller, hope that they can handle this nicely! Exclamation

link to the kahler i bought from ebay
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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:49 am

Doh!

You're new and you did the research so, you knew that. How come the people that sell them dont?

If you buy a 7610, you can just remove a claw and saddle assembly for a fiver with wider spacing ... correct.
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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:39 pm

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Doh!

You're new and you did the research so, you knew that. How come the people that sell them dont?

If you buy a 7610, you can just remove a claw and saddle assembly for a fiver with wider spacing ... correct.

correct, or i can put those kahler for my fretless (4str to 5str conversion) and wired it stereo or replace some pups with guitas pups just like eric did cheers

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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:15 pm

okay so now I got some situation here, I had dilemma between what to do about it

if I insist to put kahler 7415 on my Cort RB5 then there's an advantages and disadvantages about it; the RB5 was my go to bass, my main bass, if I still want to put 7415, then I had to sent the wrong item back to the seller, takes more time and cost me even more for import taxes, when the right item was on hands, then I should drill a cavity for kahler which can't be recover, and I was afraid to fail and can not return to its original.

if I compromise and accept the wrong item, I still can use it on my fretless (the pic I posted above), I can install it immediately and learn to use a tremolo bridge (it's gonna be first time for me) the bass itself was much cheaper than my Cort RB5 so if I have to install the kahler then I will not feel reluctant
the kahler itself was more expensive than the fretless bass itself..

any feedback are welcome..
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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:54 am

First off... i dont know how i would feel about putting a trem on a fretless. I mean, it would work and operate correctly to my understanding. I dont see any reason why it wouldnt. I actually see flat or tapewounds operating in a roller saddle and nut situation better than roundwounds. Disadvantage would be the strings chewing up the fretboard faster as you hold down notes and trem.

Cost of the bass ... i have a used and abused body that isnt worth much that i stole the trem and other parts from for a better bass. Ive sold a few kahlered basses. I have a brand new 7410 sitting, waiting for the next project. Over time, you will have more opportunities to try this again and again. There is no such thing as failures ... just learned experiences.

I participate on a guitar refinishing board like this. Most of the time the advice that is given is, "be patient". We have all found that the more we try to push things along, the more mistakes we make ... so think about it before you settle just to get something done.
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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:59 am

... and take those photoshoped images. Draw an intonation line on the existing saddles. Then draw the intonation line on the saddles of where you have the kahler placed. Is it in the same spot? (I think not). In order to get the saddles in the right spot, you may have to move that mm pickup forward.

This may answer your question.
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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:16 am

test fit!!
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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:48 pm

Shoot.... sorry for answering so late, but I just got back from a trip down to California, and I am still getting my bearings back.

Spyd3r, you wanted the fiver that comes in the sixer frame, right? Yep, looks like they sent you an older fiver. Well OK, the ad wasn't technically misleading, since they did send you a 7415, albeit, an older version of it. But still, that's a total bummer!

So you really did want the larger version, correct?

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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:05 pm

EricHaven wrote:
Shoot.... sorry for answering so late, but I just got back from a trip down to California, and I am still getting my bearings back.

Spyd3r, you wanted the fiver that comes in the sixer frame, right? Yep, looks like they sent you an older fiver. Well OK, the ad wasn't technically misleading, since they did send you a 7415, albeit, an older version of it. But still, that's a total bummer!

So you really did want the larger version, correct?

scratch

Send me a PM when you can.

yup, the ad picture was a 7416 with 5 saddles, that makes 7415 wider spacing..
I'll sent the wrong item back to the seller (Arkansas music) after Christmas holiday.
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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:03 pm

update this thread, I've got the right 7415 with 7416 templates (the big and wide one) finally cheers

now, I got the kahler, got the graptech black tusq xl nuts, and my bass headstock shape make those strings not straight but slightly tilted

what possibly should I do?
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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:36 am

Widen the string slots a bit in the graphite nut so the strings slide freely and dont bind. I have nut files but I usta use old strings. Dont file down as much as file on the sides.

I put a spot of chapstic or lithium grease in the nut slots when I change strings. Eric scribbles some #2 pencil in there (graphite).

Its about eliminating as much friction as possible so the bass returns to in tune after you use the trem. Many I have had return to slightly flat after use no matter what I did. I got in the habit of ending any trem use with a quick tug up on the bar so it would settle sharper and in tune.
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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:40 pm

so even the strings was tilted, it still will work on trem?

last night I made a mockup, "what if the string MUST go straight?" so this is what I got
(pardon my poor photoshop skill)



since my cort RB was based on Elrick bass shape, I crop the elrick expat headstock design
due to the E-C strung, and ash body from the origin bass, maybe I'll swap the whole neck of cort bass and put a 33' with maple fingerboard
ash body + maple fingerboard + 24 fret + E-C strung + 33' scale, should play like butter... dunno yet, just my thought..

the original cort rb (elrick design)


the Elrick expat jazz


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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Thu Jan 31, 2013 6:30 pm

anyway, it's barely fit!! even with the ramp attached cheers cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Re: finally I took the plunge..   Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:32 pm

Measure from the nut to the 12th fret. Take that length and measure from the 12th fret to where the kahler would be and mark a line. This is where the middle line between the saddles all the way forward and all the way back needs to be for proper intonation. You cant just have the saddles anywhere and expect proper tuning.

Just eyeballing the original bass with bridge vs where you placed the kahler, it looks like the kahler needs to move a bit further back. Its hard to tell from pictures ... you gotta measure.

Your headstock doesnt seem that bad. If your nut has the strings moove freely in the slots, ittl probably be fine. Ive seen worse work. Yes, that other headstock is better but probably not necessary. If you want that neck ... go for it.
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