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PostSubject: X2N's   Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:31 pm

Why do people here like them so much? I'm not doubting you guys, but they're guitar pickups, and not particularly bassy ones at that.
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:47 pm

Because I want to try different things. X2Ns sound like they could fit the bill for the type of pickup I wish were in my basses. So instead of just thinking about it, I want to try and it and make it a reality.

I like the way basses sound through many guitar amps, guitar effects, etc. I like the way guitar pickups respond and I am dissatisfied with a lot of bass pickups, so I'm interested in giving them a try. I think the reasons are not very different from why we like tremolos--they're another tool to create sounds.

Have you ever tried an X2N-equipped guitar? They're brutal pickups, they don't really clean up. The way they drive an amp is pretty sick. With another, more classic bass pickup, you can have one hot channel and one clean channel, or with the 4 conductor wire, you can wire it to coil tap, switch between series/parallel, or all of them. Possibilities that you don't hear of too many people doing. I want to find my voice and if this helps me, cool!
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:06 pm

Another thing is that the X2N-7 is voiced differently than the X2N 6 string pickup to better suit the range of 7 string guitars. The pole pieces are also longer from end-to-end than the standard X2N, making them better suited to basses. Bill has modified a bass of his with an X2N-7/Precision combination that he likes a lot.

I've also noticed that I find the shape/size of the X2N to be a very comfortable match for a 4 stringed bass. When you're playing it, it doesn't feel obtrusive, but very comfortable (especially compared to those huge soapbar pickups that used to be in my BTB). I think they look snazzy as well and you can put whatever bezels around them you want to add to the vibe of the instrument. For example, fretsonthenet carries chrome 7 string bezels that I'd love to see around an X2N-7 on myDestroyer bounce
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:22 pm

To further clarify and add to what Martin just said, the love affair with them began when my friend John Gallagher of Raven told me that he used an X2N in his Explorer bass. This peaked my curiosity, so I did some research about them. I found out that the X2N is one of, if not the, hottest guitar pickup made right now, and since my motto is "more smoke", it made them all the more appealing. So I shared this with everyone, and I even added that I thought the X2N-7 would be better suited for bass since the width would better cover the range of a bass' string spacing. So a few of the guys here started using them, and what they found was that they work really well on bass. It turns out that the X2N for guitar is modeled exactly the same as the old X2N-B was for bass, and since the X2N-7 is designed for seven-string guitar, it has a lower frequency response that works almost exactly the same as the bass version did.

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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:26 pm

Clammy from the (excellent) band Exciter used X2N-B pickups along with the occasional Precision pickup in his Moser custom shop basses. He has an Ironbird with dual X2Ns. I've seen him around on TalkBass. I believe his favorite amp is an ancient Marshal Super Bass head.

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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:20 am

I have a few things I want to clear up, with my X2N experiences.

Kugelspot wrote:
Why do people here like them so much? I'm not doubting you guys, but they're guitar pickups, and not particularly bassy ones at that.

Me, I like them, and teh reason I got one, was because the high gain drives amps, and pedals far more.



And, actually, you'd be suprised to find, on bass they can be severly bassy, more so than most pickups.

Case and point, I showed mine to another bassist, and after he jammed it, his one comment was, "Woah, that thing's got more low wnd than the P pickup!!!" And thats from the bridge position.

In single coil mode, is sounds like a very smooth, yet loud bass pickup, full of creamy goodness(only way I can describe it), with sprinkles on top! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:23 am

Chowderboots wrote:
Another thing is that the X2N-7 is voiced differently than the X2N 6 string pickup to better suit the range of 7 string guitars. The pole pieces are also longer from end-to-end than the standard X2N, making them better suited to basses. Bill has modified a bass of his with an X2N-7/Precision combination that he likes a lot.

I've also noticed that I find the shape/size of the X2N to be a very comfortable match for a 4 stringed bass. When you're playing it, it doesn't feel obtrusive, but very comfortable (especially compared to those huge soapbar pickups that used to be in my BTB). I think they look snazzy as well and you can put whatever bezels around them you want to add to the vibe of the instrument. For example, fretsonthenet carries chrome 7 string bezels that I'd love to see around an X2N-7 on myDestroyer bounce

"Likes a lot" That my friend is an understatement! Very Happy How does the song go? "If I were a rich man...." heh, I'd have three kinds of basses, ones with X2N's, ones with Roscoe Beck pickups, and ones with both!

Oh, I want that chrome bezel to match my Kahler! bounce
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:27 am

EricHaven wrote:
To further clarify and add to what Martin just said, the love affair with them began when my friend John Gallagher of Raven told me that he used an X2N in his Explorer bass. This peaked my curiosity, so I did some research about them. I found out that the X2N is one of, if not the, hottest guitar pickup made right now, and since my motto is "more smoke", it made them all the more appealing. So I shared this with everyone, and I even added that I thought the X2N-7 would be better suited for bass since the width would better cover the range of a bass' string spacing. So a few of the guys here started using them, and what they found was that they work really well on bass. It turns out that the X2N for guitar is modeled exactly the same as the old X2N-B was for bass, and since the X2N-7 is designed for seven-string guitar, it has a lower frequency response that works almost exactly the same as the bass version did.

Just a few more things to clarify, Eric, according to DiMarzio, the X2N, and the X2N-B, are the same pickup, and in their words the X2N-7 would actually work better than the X2N-B.

Also, the old Model G bass pickup was the same too, just with poles instead of blades.

I quite owe my finding of this pickup to JohnG, and Eric in particular, espcially Eric for suggesting the 7 string model.
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:29 am

hey Martin, did you see the couple show-off threads where Clammy showed the TB'ers all his basses?
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:51 pm

Yes, I have seen them, Amimbari! Especially in the "Black Basses" thread--"All my basses be black!" Laughing

Bill--hit up Fretsonthenet! They have some gorgeous polished aluminum ones that would fit perfectly. They make e drool a little rabbit

http://www.fretsonthenet.com/other_parts.htm#7_string_string_pickup_rings!

Time for me just to get an X2N-7 next paycheck Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:54 pm

if I was a RICH-MAN, I would not only change all my pickups, but I would offer Andre a ridiculous amount of money for his 2 TBXbirds, even that C/S one he just got with the Kahler on it.
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:59 pm

What would you change them to, Mike?

And yeah, I already know that you'd have a room full of Jackson T-Birds Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:15 pm

Chowderboots wrote:
What would you change them to, Mike?

And yeah, I already know that you'd have a room full of Jackson T-Birds Laughing
ok let's say I did have 10 Tbirds, they would ALL have the most expensive pickups you can have someone custom make. ( remember, I'm pretending I'm rich )

and oh ya, 5 of the 10 would be Kahlerized geek

peabuddy wants my Kahlered 2b kinda bad, and he is upping the offers for me to sell it to him...I may, and I may not--who knows...
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 1:53 pm

You should get Rob over here, Mike! He probably has more Kahler tremed basses than everyone else here combined.
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:00 pm

That Clammy has some awesome basses, I spoke to him a little about them, heh, the GAS, the GASSSS!
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:04 pm

Yeah I know...that Ironbird, especially! affraid
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:06 pm

I was thinkin' of teh Moser! bounce
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:12 pm

All of them are... Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: X2N's   Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:15 pm

That too! Very Happy
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