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PostSubject: Kahler on Ibanez SR505 - Looks nice, need help!!!!   Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:34 am

Hello folks!!! This is my first post here after lurking for a little bit.

I've had an Ibanez SR505 for a while, never really playing it because I'm either on my 4 string or if I need extended range, my 6 string. I found a 7415 on eBay and grabbed it, figuring it'd give me a use for the 5 I never play. Here's the "Before":



So then I got out my router, went with the template, and did the deed. Mounted the bridge (and new graphite nut) and strung 'er up. Truly a thing of beauty!!!!!!



But here's the problem: I figured that since the strings were new (Hartke Light - 130 105 80 65 45), the strings would stretch and the trem would go to a normal position, but it seems to be sitting WAY too low. See this pic from the side:



Do I need new springs? Did I set something up wrong? Anyone else have this issue?

Thanks in advance for any help!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Kahler on Ibanez SR505 - Looks nice, need help!!!!   Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:10 pm

Greetings Clint! Welcome to BTF! cheers

I own a 7415 myself, and it looks like you need to tighten up the spring tension. If you look at the cam beneath your second and fourth strings, you'll see two little allen head screws. Here is where they are located:



You want to slowly crank those down a little at a time until the trem levels out. Be careful, as it is possible to make the screws drop out the bottom. These screws increase the tension on the springs, and the trem angle will rise to a level position. Now, this will also increase the tension on the bar, and you'll find that it takes a little more effort to drop the thing. Also, this will decrease the amount of upward pull you can get, but it will increase the amount of drop. I hope that helps, Bro! Keep us posted as to how it works! Wink

BTW, are you having any issues with string action? Our normal thing around here is to have a Kahler countersunk into the body, instead of sitting flat on top of the body as yours is. How is it working for you?

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PostSubject: Re: Kahler on Ibanez SR505 - Looks nice, need help!!!!   Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:11 pm

welcome to the board BMG.

there is an adjustment screw that will angle the trem back so your bar is not horizontal, it is in the middle of the cam under the strings. it pushes on a plate underneath that angles the cam back so when it is at rest the bar will stick up farther.

#2 the short bars on these things suck to begin with, and I found that if I bend the bar in a vice, it will angle it up even more because the set screw in the trem only adjusts so far....

EDIT: sorry Eric I just posted right after you did....
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PostSubject: Re: Kahler on Ibanez SR505 - Looks nice, need help!!!!   Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:16 pm

Welcome to btf!

Yes ...tighten down the cam bolts till you get the home position and travel you want. Fiddle with it a bit till you get it where you like.

Yes ... bend the arm to where you like it in relation to the correct home and travel you want (I bend mine back 1r.c.h.)

Yes ... ibanez, just looking at yours and having done an edb 600, you will need to countersink the entire base of the trem one sixteenth to one eigth inch into the surface of the bass to get the correct action on your string heigth without the strings buzzing on the roller saddle housings forward of the bridge rollers. Careful around the pickup cavity.
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PostSubject: Re: Kahler on Ibanez SR505 - Looks nice, need help!!!!   Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:28 pm

amimbari wrote:
EDIT: sorry Eric I just posted right after you did....

No worries, Bro! I think we posted at the same time! Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Kahler on Ibanez SR505 - Looks nice, need help!!!!   Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:44 am

Thank for the advice!! I adjusted the cam screws and that did help a bit. I also bent the bar in a vice, so that brought it up as well.

But like you said Eric, the action is a little high even after lowering the saddles as far as I dare. I might sink the entire bridge as well.

It's all a learning experience....
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PostSubject: Re: Kahler on Ibanez SR505 - Looks nice, need help!!!!   Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:32 am

You're welcome, Clint! It is indeed an ongoing process, and we are all still learning as players about every aspect of bass playing. Hopefully, with the collective knowledge of the group, we can all figure out how to use our trems! Laughing

Here is a link to luthier Rich Koerner's site that show the way to countersink a Kahler bass trem:

http://www.timeelect.com/kabass.htm

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PostSubject: Re: Kahler on Ibanez SR505 - Looks nice, need help!!!!   Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:55 am

I wish I had a nice drillpress like that!,
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PostSubject: Re: Kahler on Ibanez SR505 - Looks nice, need help!!!!   Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:49 pm

Update:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRHVFBmyMR0

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PostSubject: Re: Kahler on Ibanez SR505 - Looks nice, need help!!!!   Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:37 pm

it's funny when you look at that huge thing on that unit when your holding it up in the video.
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PostSubject: Re: Kahler on Ibanez SR505 - Looks nice, need help!!!!   Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:42 pm

Cool video, Clint! cheers

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