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PostSubject: Bugera's new plans for world domination.   Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:04 pm

I like behringer products, i know a lot of people don't, but the products i've come into contact with (mostly mixers, 32 band eq's, patchbays, DAC's) have been very excellent products,that are built well and sound nice. The bugera division has interested me greatly for a while now, mostly for their sub 700 USD bi-ampable 3600 watt bass head.
(I'm sure there's someone here who stereo operation at 1800 watt's a piece would appeal to Wink)

but recently they've announced a shitstorm of new products, including an SVT rip off
http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/products/BVV3000.aspx
and a Mesa/boogie dual rec and a mark IV clone.
http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/products/TRIREC.aspx

Seriously starting to love this company, word is that the SVT copy is going to be sub 1000 and the mesa trirec copy is going to be about 875.

Love this company Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Bugera's new plans for world domination.   Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:43 pm

tekkentool wrote:
(mostly mixers, 32 band eq's, patchbays, DAC's)

Thats why you still like them. Their amps have been known to crap out in as little as 1 month.
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PostSubject: Re: Bugera's new plans for world domination.   Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:43 pm

ya know ... my guitar player has been looking for a handwired vintage all tube amp. he's been looking at mesa, swampworks, randall and matchless.

matchless have super sweet tone, but way too much money for not enuff wattage. when we're pros and have the money to spend for studio tone he'll spend that money.

swampworks are sweet but mad expensive as well.

mesa just doesnt have the options he wants for that money that he'll hafta spend; and thats about what he's looking to spend.

randall offers way more options on way more models for the buttload of money that a decent tube head shud cost. he'll probably order a new randall next month.

i was thinking of pointing him in the bugera direction after looking at the comprable guitar heads they offer ... thought maybe its a cheaper substitute that he may consider (and he doesnt want cheaper ... he wants top notch (i dont want him to take forever to buy it)).

these things are a bit more than a third of the price than he's looking at.

you gotta be kidding me. spend the money your willing to pay for a randall??? ... or skimp and get a bugera. i'de feel bad even suggesting it to him.

not to mention the reputation of breaking in a month.

i went and spent the money on a decent amp and feel like i got much more quality in what ... 200W less (stated) watts? ... in the carvin bx1200 stereo bi-amp than the comprable bugera i was looking at. this carvin is one of the best amps i've ever owned ... not a mesa, but pretty darn awesome and close with the preamp.

they just dropped the prices on the bx1200's too ... the bx1500 just came out.

and not that i'm downing on bugera. if they can offer these options, keep it affordable and make them more dependable (than the bad rap they get), than awesome. otherwise, as a fellow bass player, you owe it to yourself to buy yourself a better amphead. i know, stuffs expensive ... save your money ... so you can honor yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: Bugera's new plans for world domination.   Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:06 pm

I'd never buy one of those...
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PostSubject: Re: Bugera's new plans for world domination.   Tue Mar 30, 2010 9:47 pm

I'll admit that I used to be a diehard fan of Behringer gear, and I still think they make some awesome PA gear, not to mention the fact that I did get some monsterous tones from my old Behringer V-Amp Pro. But I have read enough bad reviews about their bass amps that I won't ever go down that road again. True, I did own a couple of their bass heads, but from what I've heard, I got really lucky. They just have a bad record of frying. Now the Bugera might very well be built to a higher standard, but it's still Behringer. Like MadMike said, if you're willing to lay down enough cash for a Bugera, when you could get a Randall for the same price, that's a no-brainer. And for a little less, you could get a Carvin, and still wind up with a superior amp.

Of course, anyone is free to buy whatever they want, and if what they wind up with works for them, bravo. But for my money, some things are too much of a gamble.

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PostSubject: Re: Bugera's new plans for world domination.   Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:03 pm

Maybe those can come close, but there's nothin quite like a real Boogie or Ampeg...
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PostSubject: Re: Bugera's new plans for world domination.   Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:45 am

most of the crapping out claims came from one model of amplifier, bad clip on the tubes, 5 dollar replacement for each tube. Most of the complaints run from earlier batches, later batches tend to fix these problems. I like randalls too but here in australia they're easily twice the price of these bugera heads which can sound even better. Honestly if i had the money i'd go for an ENGL. but as a budget brand you have to expect a little give and take. If it ends out having a dodgy part i need to replace so be it. But it's at a price point.
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PostSubject: Re: Bugera's new plans for world domination.   Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:30 am

never had an issue with any Behringer effect I own/owned....but the mixers before they switched to the Zenyx series?....well that's another story.

there's a good thread on TB about "the most worthless piece of gear you ever owned", and a lot of GOOD companies with bad results....
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PostSubject: Re: Bugera's new plans for world domination.   Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:52 am

That may be so TK, but the horror stories I heard involved Behringers solid-state amps. It is true that replacing a tube is easy, but replacing solid-state components are another matter entirely. Also, it wasn't things like a single part going out, but more like one thing overheating, and the circuit board burning up.

Now, I completely understand having to work with a limited budget. I just think it would suck royally if you did drop coin on something of lesser quailty, only to have to turn around and replace it again. As I said, my advice is to tread carefully, but get what it is that you need to. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Bugera's new plans for world domination.   Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:00 am

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That may be so TK, but the horror stories I heard involved Behringers solid-state amps. It is true that replacing a tube is easy, but replacing solid-state components are another matter entirely. Also, it wasn't things like a single part going out, but more like one thing overheating, and the circuit board burning up.

Now, I completely understand having to work with a limited budget. I just think it would suck royally if you did drop coin on something of lesser quailty, only to have to turn around and replace it again. As I said, my advice is to tread carefully, but get what it is that you need to. Wink

Bugera isn't exactly behringer with a new name, it's a different subset of the company owned by behringer. manufactured a bit differently. But i'm a bit meticulous and obsessive with my purchases, i wouldn't drop coin on anything unless i know the product inside and out.
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PostSubject: Re: Bugera's new plans for world domination.   Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:06 pm

eric ... getting down to splitting hairs here.

i was mentioning randall because my guitar player was going to get a guitar tube head. they are way more expensive than anything behringer or bugera puts out ... and in my opinion, worth it.

i dont know anything about any bass amplifier that randall puts out. i know they are pushing that bass combo they make ... but i'de never buy a combo.

what i was saying was .........

if i'm gonna buy new gear, its more worth it to save my money and buy what i want, than to settle and save a few bucks. its seems like when i save a few bucks, i always end up regretting buying the cheaper altenative.

yeah, the carvin was cheaper, but i needed a higher wattage amp (like at that very moment) and i wanted to experiment with the stereo and crossover options (and i still am). i got what i needed. i ended up being very suprised with the quality of the carvin for only having spent $500.

i still want the mesa tube head.
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