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PostSubject: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:05 am

That sucks because i am bidding on one on ebay as we speak . what if we move the bridge back some to make it fit because there is room on the backside of the bass ?will this affect it / I also have a musicman sterling bass will it fit on this one [img][/img] [img][/img]


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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:07 am

No, you cant move the bridge from its propper position.

As for the Sterling, post a pic.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:06 pm

It looks like it would fit on the Sterling.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:28 pm

Yeah, it'll work on the Sterling, may have to work on the pickguard, a little, but yeah, it'd workable.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:17 pm

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Yeah, it'll work on the Sterling, may have to work on the pickguard, a little, but yeah, it'd workable.
cool that makes me feel a little better . Its just the Sterling has taken a beating from years of gigs but i this love this bass.
Is it possible to move the pickup on the spector to get the tremolo to work on it?
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:49 pm

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Yeah, it'll work on the Sterling, may have to work on the pickguard, a little, but yeah, it'd workable.
cool that makes me feel a little better . Its just the Sterling has taken a beating from years of gigs but i this love this bass.
Is it possible to move the pickup on the spector to get the tremolo to work on it?

It is, but, it's gonna be messy, and could ruin your sound, if you like the bass's tone as is. I understand not wanting to mess with the Strling if its been great so far.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:18 pm

I agree. I've moved pickups in the past, but it takes major surgery to do so. But I also think that your Sterling is a really great candidate for a Kahler. Heck, who cares if it's a little road worn? Wink Most of my basses get that way after only a short period of time, and it hasn't hurt what I do in the slightest.

Keep us posted as to your progress, and please post pictures after your Kahler is installed! Wink

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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:23 pm

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Darkstrike wrote:
Yeah, it'll work on the Sterling, may have to work on the pickguard, a little, but yeah, it'd workable.
cool that makes me feel a little better . Its just the Sterling has taken a beating from years of gigs but i this love this bass.
Is it possible to move the pickup on the spector to get the tremolo to work on it?
See this is why I am here , thanks to all of you that have helped me out thanks alot . This is my new Facebook
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:26 pm

Hmmm....we may be onto something:

"Bass Tremolo Fanatics: The New Facebook"

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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:34 pm

i've moved pickups to fit a kahler before. no major deal if you got good woodworking tools. its not cosmeticly perfect ... but neither am i, so ..... cyclops

truth is ... a forward saddle kahler looks like it would fit on this bass better, but you'de never know for sure untill you get out your dial calipers and measure with accurate measurements from the proper intonation line on the instrument.

i dont think you'de need to cut into the pickguard on the music man either; but you gotta measure to be sure. it would beat moving a pickup either way.

again ... the accurate 7410 specs ........ (so you dont have to buy one to see if ittl fit)

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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:36 pm

It doesn't look like a 7410 would fit on that Spector, but a non-reverse saddle trem might fit! However, the Spector might not be the best candidate for a trem of any sort because when the strings come off of the nut at that kind of angle, they have a tendancy to bind and cause the bass to go out of tune when the strings slide through it.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:41 pm

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I agree. I've moved pickups in the past, but it takes major surgery to do so. But I also think that your Sterling is a really great candidate for a Kahler. Heck, who cares if it's a little road worn? Wink Most of my basses get that way after only a short period of time, and it hasn't hurt what I do in the slightest.

Keep us posted as to your progress, and please post pictures after your Kahler is installed! Wink
Will do. I can't wait .i am not doing this myself i have a luthier that will do the operation
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:42 pm

spector. angle? got a headstock pic?
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:43 pm

Yeah, man. Kahlers are great on the right guitar. It can open up a whole new side of the instrument you put it on.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:48 pm


those angles look fine to me. better than ......
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:54 pm

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those angles look fine to me. better than ......

Kugelspot reported experiencing less than perfect tuning stability on his Spector, as has Barkless on his Blueshawk, from time to time. And my Jackson has very poor tuning stability almost all the time when the trem's concerned. It really is best to have little to no angles in the strings' paths.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:57 pm

madmike wrote:

those angles look fine to me. better than ......
that basically my bass
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:25 pm

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Kugelspot reported experiencing less than perfect tuning stability on his Spector

Well, less than perfect but very, very close. Especially now that I'm using .95 strings on it.

Darkstrike wrote:
I understand not wanting to mess with the Strling if its been great so far.

I do to, but I would like to point out that the sustain you have with the stock bridge is nothing compared to how it will with a Kahler. should improve the tone a bit too.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:40 pm

that is your bass 13 ... i looked it up.

so bassicly what your telling me boots is theres tuning instability on any bass with a kahler?

true ... and there are ways around it. if others havent put that effort in ... i dont know what to say.

i have about the same angle on my warmoth 13degree neck. with a corian nut and graphite and/or chapstick in the grooves and saddles, i have minimal tuning issues. i gotta retune after certian songs when i'm wailing away on the arm.

13, a 7400 will work fine on your spector with proper installation and setup. this is a difficult install because its an archtop ... you have to countersink the kahler base so it sits on a flat surface.

a 7410 will work fine on the sterling, with proper installation and setup. this is a difficult setup because the tuners are 4 inarow on the topside. my experience is that the differences in distance from the nut to the tuners and string trees lead to tuning problems ... 2x2 tuner angled headstocks work better.

take the measurements and decide what would be an easier install and start there.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:42 pm

kugel reports an increase in sustain ... i agree. noticable difference!

and oh yeah ... thinner gauge strings definately help the tuning issues.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:11 pm

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that is your bass 13 ... i looked it up.

so bassicly what your telling me boots is theres tuning instability on any bass with a kahler?

true ... and there are ways around it. if others havent put that effort in ... i dont know what to say.

i have about the same angle on my warmoth 13degree neck. with a corian nut and graphite and/or chapstick in the grooves and saddles, i have minimal tuning issues. i gotta retune after certian songs when i'm wailing away on the arm.

13, a 7400 will work fine on your spector with proper installation and setup. this is a difficult install because its an archtop ... you have to countersink the kahler base so it sits on a flat surface.

a 7410 will work fine on the sterling, with proper installation and setup. this is a difficult setup because the tuners are 4 inarow on the topside. my experience is that the differences in distance from the nut to the tuners and string trees lead to tuning problems ... 2x2 tuner angled headstocks work better.

take the measurements and decide what would be an easier install and start there.

Yeah, because you can't keep the strings from sliding through the nut. If you could lock the strings at the nut, you'd probably have much better tuning stability. It's not that the trem itself will cause tuning problems, but using it might because the strings have to pass through the nut. What I mean is that you can alleviate but not eliminate tuning problems with any bass tremolo bridge.

I had very good tuning stability on my Hamer, but after a half a year, I had worn down the nut slots on the stock bone nut quite a bit, which made the strings buzz a lot.

I think that his Sterling has a 3x1 tuner setup. Kinda a halfway point between 4 on a side and 2x2. Wink

And a Kahler will probably make your bass sound better all around. I also enjoy the weight it adds to that part of the instrument--it helps some guitars balance much better on me.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:16 pm

well....lol, I agree with all of the posts above.. better sustain, better adjustability. I used mine for many years as a fixed bridge, and although I agree with the others about nut-vs-string angle towards the tuners the straighter being the better, my jackson never had a issue with the tuning.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:51 pm

I'd love to see how a Kahler trem works on a 1B some day.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:12 pm

1b-2b same body so nothing should change...
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:02 pm

3X1 per side set up on the music man ... thats right.

i dont know how that would work.

locking at the nut? sure ... that would eliminate tuning problems. i dont find it necessary. i think with a nut the proper material (graphite) and properly filed eliminates most problems ... but i havent experienced enuff different situations to say positively.

the warmoth corian nut has served me well (no binding) but it is wearing away as well ... the frets will start buzzing sooner or later.

aparently with what amimbari stated, string angles can be overcome.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:04 pm

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3X1 per side set up on the music man ... thats right.

i dont know how that would work.

locking at the nut? sure ... that would eliminate tuning problems. i dont find it necessary. i think with a nut the proper material (graphite) and properly filed eliminates most problems ... but i havent experienced enuff different situations to say positively.

the warmoth corian nut has served me well (no binding) but it is wearing away as well ... the frets will start buzzing sooner or later.

aparently with what amimbari stated, string angles can be overcome.

I'd like to find out. I think those MM headstocks look really cool.

Hah it wasn't fun seeing the nut slowly grind down on my Blitz...wondering how long before the strings bottom out. I wonder how long the next nut will last.

Try telling that to my Jackson. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:43 pm

13, we have a thread here called Keeping It In Tune that pretty much outlines all of our little tips and tricks for keeping your trem in tune, as well as things to watch out for when selecting a bass to put a trem on. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:06 pm

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13, we have a thread here called Keeping It In Tune that pretty much outlines all of our little tips and tricks for keeping your trem in tune, as well as things to watch out for when selecting a bass to put a trem on. Wink
Woo- hoo I Won my bid on ebay last night I won a kalher 7410 . I will putting it on the Music man .so i will be doing divebombs in no time .Thanks to everybody that has helped me along the way.
One more question . Should I replace the nut While we are into it? If so what type ?
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:15 pm

Yes, for graphite, or delrin.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:23 pm

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One more question . Should I replace the nut While we are into it? If so what type ?

Ya probably. Like DS said, Delrin or graphite. I'd go with delrin, btw. Even slipperier than graphite.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:30 pm

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13 stitches wrote:
One more question . Should I replace the nut While we are into it? If so what type ?

Ya probably. Like DS said, Delrin or graphite. I'd go with delrin, btw. Even slipperier than graphite.


Yeah, delrin is harder to carve too, less wear than graphite.

I generally use graphite on bright looking boards, and delrin on dark, just for appearances, I like contrast.

Thats if I am changing the nut, I don't like it enough to go out of my way to do it! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:28 pm

speaking of 7410's, wammiworld raised all the starting prices from 99 to 149 Sad
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:43 pm

amimbari wrote:
speaking of 7410's, wammiworld raised all the starting prices from 99 to 149 Sad

****, I was just gonna grab some for projects.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:46 pm

I need to get some nut files to finish carving my graphite nut.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:40 pm

13 stitches wrote:
That sucks because i am bidding on one on ebay as we speak . what if we move the bridge back some to make it fit because there is room on the backside of the bass ?will this affect it / I also have a musicman sterling bass will it fit on this one [img][/img] [img][/img]
Update I just got my tremolo in the mail today . Hell yeah!!!! Taking my bass to my repair man tomorrow . It is going to be a long week . I can't wait .I have been wanting this for 20 years , Just got the balls to have it done . Pics soon
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:47 pm

Congrats, dude! It feels great. I'm just about to get my favorite bass going again with a new trem, this time installed properly. You think it'll be a long week, it's been a long 7 months for me! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:24 pm

13 stitches wrote:
I just got my tremolo in the mail today . Hell yeah!!!! Taking my bass to my repair man tomorrow . It is going to be a long week . I can't wait .I have been wanting this for 20 years , Just got the balls to have it done . Pics soon

Congrats man! I feel your pain about the wait. I had to wait for 2 months to get mine installed (and it was only supposed to take 3 weeks Mad). But then again, I'd only been wanted a trem for about a year when I got it.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:05 pm

we should all post pics of our trems to make em jealous..
but seriously I know what it is to "wait" - took em 6 weeks to build and ship my mesa trip-rec, and 2 months from when i laid down the cash to "in my hands" on my JackonBird.

hey 13, is your spector pre a hazlab or something else?

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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:56 am

Ooh! nice close up of the haz lab. Would be interesting to see whats going on at the other side......
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:31 am

sure thing DS...

88-89 Kramer Forum3 NT with the Spector electronics. Pretty common back then.


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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:34 pm

Awesome news, 13! Keep us posted! Wink

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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:32 pm

congrats 13!

i hope your repair tech does a good install. techs and luthiers charge an arm and a leg ... this bass shud play perfect when you get it back.

teaser?????? ............

stock mex alder p body refurb / refinish cornflower blue. dimarzio split p / rewound (by dom my guitar player) economy humbucker with center pot a pan. kahler 7410. warmoth 13 degree maple neck, ebony fb, corian nut, ss med-jumbo frets.

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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:01 am

looks like a backwards b-ball cap wearing thug walking out of the room with his hand in his pocket --hahaha
and I always did like your modded BLUE bass without the FENDER headstock:)


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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:59 am

and the cat is following him ......

thats our coat rack with 30 coats piled on top of it.

this is a shot from our old apartment. its nice that we have a house with more room and storage space now so we dont need to pile stuff up and jam it away in corners and tops of closets like this.

and yeah, i really like this bass now too. i took something that was 9/10s useless and made something awesome!

i wanna do another one ... just looking for the right body ... explorer, charvel star or something curvy like an alembic john paul jones body copy. looking to do something totally different and off the wall.
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:08 am

Heh your old place sounds like where I'm living now...
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 22, 2010 7:41 am

speaking of Spector/Kramers, there's an identical black Forum3 like mine on ebay this week....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220560084669&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

and for those who like NT Charvels, here's a black 3b:

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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:19 pm

Chowderboots wrote:
Heh your old place sounds like where I'm living now...

You mean you have tiny, mutant metal cats following around clothing and hats that walk on their own? Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:14 pm

EricHaven wrote:
Chowderboots wrote:
Heh your old place sounds like where I'm living now...

You mean you have tiny, mutant metal cats following around clothing and hats that walk on their own? Laughing

I thought this was normal.....
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:22 pm

Darkstrike wrote:
I thought this was normal.....
only a stoner would notice that stuff, but the clothes DO look like someone leaving the room, and that cat I already knew was not real!!!
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PostSubject: Re: spector rebop w/ 7410 kaler tremolo   Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:51 pm

god only knows what kinda creepy crawlies are living in that apartment now!

yuk.
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