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PostSubject: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:44 pm

Put a trem on this.



That say's it all.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:01 pm

It's carved top? Yeah, but it will require more and more precise routing than usual, but it might be able to be done. It doesn't look like there's enough room for a reverse saddle Kahler, but maybe a forward saddle bridge. You'd have to do some measurements and check them against Madmike's diagrams. You'll want to find a very good luthier to do it for you.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:06 pm

I've got a couple of question,

Where could I find a Kahler with forward facing saddles, I checked on wammiworld but did not found?

IIRC, it's a flat top but I'll ask the seller.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:13 pm

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I've got a couple of question,

Where could I find a Kahler with forward facing saddles, I checked on wammiworld but did not found?

IIRC, it's a flat top but I'll ask the seller.

Flat top would be a lot easier than carved top. If it were carved top, I'd recommend leaving it as is.

You can get a forward saddle Kahler on eBay sometimes or you can order one direct from Kahler like Kugelspot did. I found one on Talkbass and traded a reverse saddle hybrid for a vintage 2400.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:15 pm

Its definatly carved top.

A rearward saddle Kahler, nope, bridge pickup is well too far back.

Forward saddle Kahler, maybe eBay, otherwise, you'll have to pay more than the regular Wammiworld Kahlers, to have Kahler themselves make you one.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:17 pm

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Its definatly carved top.

A rearward saddle Kahler, nope, bridge pickup is well too far back.

Forward saddle Kahler, maybe eBay, otherwise, you'll have to pay more than the regular Wammiworld Kahlers, to have Kahler themselves make you one.

It's hard to tell from that picture and I'm not very familiar with that bass. Epiphone LP?

Mhmm. Or the occasional find on places like the Gear Page or TB.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:24 pm

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It's hard to tell from that picture and I'm not very familiar with that bass. Epiphone LP?

Mhmm. Or the occasional find on places like the Gear Page or TB.

Its very clear from the pictures, to me, look at the radiused pickup rings, the control knobs at different angles, and the shadow on it towards the butt end of the instrument.


But, as its a source of GAS to me, I already knew.

Its a from Rondo Music, a Brice Al, shortscale, and carved top.

http://www.rondomusic.com/albasswhitefl.html

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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:28 pm

Darkstrike wrote:
Chowderboots wrote:

It's hard to tell from that picture and I'm not very familiar with that bass. Epiphone LP?

Mhmm. Or the occasional find on places like the Gear Page or TB.

Its very clear from the pictures, to me, look at the radiused pickup rings, the control knobs at different angles, and the shadow on it towards the butt end of the instrument.


But, as its a source of GAS to me, I already knew.

Its a from Rondo Music, a Brice Al, shortscale, and carved top.

http://www.rondomusic.com/albasswhitefl.html


Oh, I meant it's hard to tell where the pickup and tailpiece are in relation to the back of the bass. I can definitely tell it's a carved top, but I don't know how well a Kahler would fit on there. Another thing to watch out for is where the control cavity route ends and where you will need to drill holes for the trem's bolts. I don't know if they'd interfere with the tuneomatic stud holes or not, either.

Ah cool. Man, I'd love a LP or SG bass. That'd be so rad! And I like TOM bass bridges--much cooler than the 3-point Tbird bridge.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:33 pm

Its definatly a wicked bass, I too much prefer the TOM to the 3 point.

But, IMHO, not a good canidate for a trem, not at all.


If I wanted a LP/Kahler bass, I'd grab some warmoth parts, and diy one.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:34 pm

Darkstrike wrote:
Its definatly carved top.

A rearward saddle Kahler, nope, bridge pickup is well too far back.

Forward saddle Kahler, maybe eBay, otherwise, you'll have to pay more than the regular Wammiworld Kahlers, to have Kahler themselves make you one.

This, minus the eBay part. They NEVER appear on eBay
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:35 pm

Kugelspot wrote:
Darkstrike wrote:
Its definatly carved top.

A rearward saddle Kahler, nope, bridge pickup is well too far back.

Forward saddle Kahler, maybe eBay, otherwise, you'll have to pay more than the regular Wammiworld Kahlers, to have Kahler themselves make you one.

This, minus the eBay part. They NEVER appear on eBay

I've seen them on eBay. They are rare, though.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:37 pm

Chowderboots wrote:
Kugelspot wrote:
Darkstrike wrote:
Its definatly carved top.

A rearward saddle Kahler, nope, bridge pickup is well too far back.

Forward saddle Kahler, maybe eBay, otherwise, you'll have to pay more than the regular Wammiworld Kahlers, to have Kahler themselves make you one.

This, minus the eBay part. They NEVER appear on eBay

I've seen them on eBay. They are rare, though.

I didn't mean that literally. But they're not much more common than Transtrem Steinbergers
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:37 pm

Yup Bill, that's that bass. I can get one for 150$ so I'll not pass it up, a short scale Les Paul bass is on think I have on my wish list.

Anyway I'll probably sell 2 of my basses in not too long, because I like them but they are not as special as my Epi viola and I would rather have an Epiphone EB0, the neck on that bass is just fabulous!!

That's what I like about Epiphone,Gibson and copies of them. All the necks are so thin.

A short scale Tbird would be the heart attack lol!

Yup, I LOVE shortscale.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:38 pm

Kugelspot wrote:
Darkstrike wrote:
Its definatly carved top.

A rearward saddle Kahler, nope, bridge pickup is well too far back.

Forward saddle Kahler, maybe eBay, otherwise, you'll have to pay more than the regular Wammiworld Kahlers, to have Kahler themselves make you one.

This, minus the eBay part. They NEVER appear on eBay


They do appear on eBay, but, you have a higher chance of winning the lottery.

In fact, you have a much better chance of finding a transtrem.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:39 pm

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Yup Bill, that's that bass. I can get one for 150$ so I'll not pass it up, a short scale Les Paul bass is on think I have on my wish list.

Anyway I'll probably sell 2 of my basses in not too long, because I like them but they are not as special as my Epi viola and I would rather have an Epiphone EB0, the neck on that bass is just fabulous!!

That's what I like about Epiphone,Gibson and copies of them. All the necks are so thin.

A short scale Tbird would be the heart attack lol!

Yup, I LOVE shortscale.

$150, oh hell yeah, I'd be all the heck over that one. Nice score.


I want a shortscale someday, I love the feel, really fun to play.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:41 pm

NoobOnRoad wrote:
Yup Bill, that's that bass. I can get one for 150$ so I'll not pass it up, a short scale Les Paul bass is on think I have on my wish list.

Anyway I'll probably sell 2 of my basses in not too long, because I like them but they are not as special as my Epi viola and I would rather have an Epiphone EB0, the neck on that bass is just fabulous!!

That's what I like about Epiphone,Gibson and copies of them. All the necks are so thin.

A short scale Tbird would be the heart attack lol!

Yup, I LOVE shortscale.

Neat. I dig shortscale a lot, but I couldn't play it all the time. 32" is enough of a difference already from long scale, which I'm most accustomed to. One of these days, I'd like one of those funky Gibson SG "reissues" and a baritone guitar and then I'll have all my short scale basses covered. Cool No pun intended.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:43 pm

When the hell will I find a bass that I love and that is Kahlerizable...

You know, short scale, thin neck. But not a Fender style neck, never loved one, they are not handy for me. Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:45 pm

Try to find a Cort Action Junior to try out, they're 30", very non Fender, flat top, and perfect for a Kahler.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:46 pm

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When the hell will I find a bass that I love and that is Kahlerizable...

You know, short scale, thin neck. But not a Fender style neck, never loved one, they are not handy for me. Crying or Very sad

SG?
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:46 pm

DAMN, IT'S ALREADY BEEN SALED... but he did not write it...

That make me mad...
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:48 pm

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When the hell will I find a bass that I love and that is Kahlerizable...

You know, short scale, thin neck. But not a Fender style neck, never loved one, they are not handy for me. Crying or Very sad

SG?

Yeah but they are pretty costey over here.

The Epiphone EB0 is 350$ here.... I don't wanna know how much the SG bass worth...
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:52 pm

NoobOnRoad wrote:
Chowderboots wrote:
NoobOnRoad wrote:
When the hell will I find a bass that I love and that is Kahlerizable...

You know, short scale, thin neck. But not a Fender style neck, never loved one, they are not handy for me. Crying or Very sad

SG?

Yeah but they are pretty costey over here.

The Epiphone EB0 is 350$ here.... I don't wanna know how much the SG bass worth...

Oh or an EB-something?
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:53 pm

??? I didn't understood.... confused
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:55 pm

NoobOnRoad wrote:
??? I didn't understood.... confused

Could you put a Kahler on an EB-0?
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:58 pm

I think yeah? But 350$ plus taxes is more than I can spend on a bass before I can sell my 2 other basses.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:00 pm

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I think yeah? But 350$ plus taxes is more than I can spend on a bass before I can sell my 2 other basses.

Uh huh.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:07 pm

I'm just trying to explain that I am waiting on a cool deal instead of buying new.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:33 pm

Chowderboots wrote:
NoobOnRoad wrote:
??? I didn't understood.... confused

Could you put a Kahler on an EB-0?

BD did. Actually, his is an EB-3, but whatever.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:15 pm

Kugelspot wrote:
Chowderboots wrote:
NoobOnRoad wrote:
??? I didn't understood.... confused

Could you put a Kahler on an EB-0?

BD did. Actually, his is an EB-3, but whatever.

I think it started out as an EB-0 and he added a Rio Grande humbucker at the bridge.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:27 pm

I though he just replaced the original bridge pup.

BTW where is he? I don't think I've seen him here for a few days
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:32 pm

I dunno. He's a busy dude.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:07 am

Kugelspot wrote:
Chowderboots wrote:
NoobOnRoad wrote:
??? I didn't understood.... confused

Could you put a Kahler on an EB-0?

BD did. Actually, his is an EB-3, but whatever.

No Kahler, but, there is plenty of room, and they have pretty tall bridges anyway, so a countersink is not likely.

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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:24 am

That's a sexy one !
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:45 am

The string spacing is tight on my EB-0. also the body is very thin, the neck has no angle (flat to the body)

The body thickness is the same a SG guitar 2 1/2" ?
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:44 pm

Honestly, I'm not to keen on putting a Kahler on something with a Gibson-style headstock. It's that old string angle thing again. Of course, it could be made to work with enough care.

And I know that you BD have a Gibson with a Kahler, and it sounds like you have no problems with it, so I might be blowing smoke here.

NB, that Les Paul bass could be routed to handle the Kahler, but as Martin pointed out, it would have to be done carefully since it's an arched top. My only other concern would be the amount of room you would have with the knobs so near the bridge. It looks like it would be a tight fit at best.

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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:43 pm

I know of a fellow from TB who is putting a Kahler on a Gibson SG RI. I might invite him over here when he has it done.
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PostSubject: Re: Would I be able to...   Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:03 pm

my .02.

you could put a hybrid kahler (rear saddles) on this LP bass if you wanted to.

why would you want to? cost and availability.

how would you? move the bridge pickup. the savings on cost and ease of availability of a 7410 would need to be weighed with your willingness to do extra routing to move the bridge pickup and ... your willingness to move it (for some, position means a lot!). with this extra work, wether you do it or not, runs the risk of more cosmetic problems ... the more work that is done, the more risk of router rash.

there is also the option of stacked humbuckers for a jazz singlecoil position mounted to the front of the existing pocket. i cant think of who makes these right now ... several do. now were talking about custom pickup ring parts.

yes, this is an archtop. wether you need to recess the base of the kahler to achieve the proper action or not, you'll still need to recess the bass of the kahler into the top of the bass to give it a flat area to be attached to the bass. you'll need to rout from a flat surface base above the surface top of the bass ... not from the top surface of the bass (or the rout will be the same contour archtop as the top). now we're talking about building specific machining tools and/or templates.

the reason the 7410 wouldnt work? the pocket would be farther back and may intrude on the control cavity. gibson control cavities with the 4 pots are that funny diamond shape ... i'de need to look at an instrument to determine exactly where the pocket would fall in relation to the position. shoot, it may not work with where the pocket falls on a forward facing saddle kahler.

furreal ... if the kahler pocket breaks into the control cavity and doesnt effect the mechanics of the kahler or the circuitry of the pots, it may effect your sustain a tad, but ... eh. make sure the cam wouldnt drop far enuff to hit the back of a pot or you'll get a ground loop on that touch connection ... noisy.

personally ... i dont know of a luthier i'de trust to handle this install. i wish i knew that luthier ... but i dont. i'm sure there is one, but most i do know, i wouldnt trust to take my pants to the dry cleaners.

i'de attempt and install like this, but not if i had more than $300 invested in the bass and an attachment to it (i like this bass too much). this seems like it would be a difficult install to me ... but very worth it. iddid be a one of a kind.

$150 for this bass ... thats a steal!
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