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PostSubject: singers are the worst - part2   Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:29 pm

ok so let me tell you what happened:

I told our singer ( check out the 2 band videos I put up ) before we got started the other night to do good cause I was gonna post something...he said fine he would give it his "all"

well the videos are garbage, and i posted them anyway to show the world, and he got pissed. I told him if this is any example of the singing he is gonna do when we get on stage, and people are laughing at the horrible yelling he was doing in the videos he needs to get it together or I'll fire him...

It should have made him happy I'm showing his/our stuff to the world.

well, he quit, and I'm glad because we already had another guy in the wings waiting. I will post with the new singer this weekend, and show everyone the difference once we jam on Thursday night. it is the same guy who did this second split video with me about a year ago (oct2008), if you wanna compare:




I'm not into this for the money, but I can't let a crappy singer stand in the way. ( we had him for 2 months, 6 practices already with no improvement, so I said fu**k it and posted the vids just to make him see himself since it is VERY hard to hear mistakes when you actually are playing at full volume )

Just like a football team watching videos, I wanted to show the band what we sound like and show them mistakes to improve on --- but he was a baby and cried about it ---whew I'm glad that is over with!!


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PostSubject: Re: singers are the worst - part2   Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:49 pm

Sorry to hear about that. At least you already had another singer waiting. In the 4 years I've been playing bass, I've only worked with a couple people that truly couldn't stand. Granted, I'm pretty easy going, so I rarely start drama with anyone. Another part of it is that most of the people I've worked with were either friends of mine, or people I've met through where I take lessons. One of the great things about the place is the people there are real musicians. Not egomaniac wannabe rockstars, musicians. People who can appreciate skilled musicianship no matter what instrument it is, who actually try to be good musicians in their own right, and people who want to work with the rest of the band, instead of it just being about them. Like when I got my wah pedal and brought it to band practice. I didn't get any "Why do you even use effects. Its not like anyone can hear the bass anyway" bullcrap. It was really more "DUDE! SWEET! Isn't that the wah Cliff Burton used on Orion?" (as a matter of fact it was). I've even gotten complaints that I was following the guitar too much. Or one of my friends, who I've jammed with before, whos an amazing guitarist, was asked to play bass at graduation. He later told me that he was kind of offended when he was asked. Its not because he felt he was above it. He was offended at people treating guitar and bass as almost the same instrument.

That said, I've had a few bad experiences. I tried working with this drummer once. It was for a one week music camp, so luckily I didn't have to deal with him for very long. He did tons of fills and wasn't really keeping time. Its like it was a Ginger Baker/Jack Bruce sort of thing either. I'm fine with drummers doing fills and writing complex drum parts. I mean it must get boring doing a simple back beat constantly. But thats not what I'm talking about. Doing a fill from time to time, in between sections or whatever, is fine, but his were spilling over into verses and stuff when he really needed to be keeping time for the rest of us. I haven't seen him since then. Kinda glad, though he was only 11 or 12 at the time, so maybe he's grown up a bit since then.
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PostSubject: Re: singers are the worst - part2   Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:13 pm

i'm not mad, I've been thru this many times as you will find out 5-10 years into it Smile

we are gonna jam tomorrow and i'll video tape it, and post a couple on youtube, because even at my age and time spent in the heyday, I still like to feel proud of my accomplishments. geek
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PostSubject: Re: singers are the worst - part2   Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:22 pm

#1 i been at this project for 2 years with constant communications with potential vocalists. out of the 200+ that i've wasted time sending e mails back and forth only 5 have actually shown up for the first installment of their audition. only one had made it 3 weeks ... and inadvertently gotten the "yes" from the band ... only to get fired 5 weeks in. this one individual was the only genuine article we seen so far (i just wish she wudda stopped bit**in).

#2 people who call themselves vocalists shure dont feel the need to go out and purchase the equipment they need to participate as a vocalist shud at practice. sure, there is a pa at gigs and at some practice spaces ... but i'll be damned if i'm gonna go out and spend $700 for a pa system for them when i spend as much as i do for my own rig.

#3 i have a real problem when a "vocalist" cirtiques my songwriting. i'm open to ideas and criticisim ... but you can tell when someone doesnt know what they are talking about is trying to tell you how to do something (unsuccessfully) at its just a bad idea ... "just sing your crap dude!"

#4 vocalists, singers and people who think they are, are just a real strange buncha cats and always difficult to work with.

we've resorted to scheduling more gigs without a vocalist ... because we wanna play and share our music with people and perhaps this will be a better way to find the right vocalist.
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PostSubject: Re: singers are the worst - part2   Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:22 pm

I totally feel both of you, my Bros. If I had a penny for every time I was in a similar situation, I'd be one rich sap, for certain! You both are absolutely incredibly talented bassists, and as such, deserve to play with players that are on a much higher caliber and level than that.

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PostSubject: Re: singers are the worst - part2   Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:24 pm

yeah ... what eric sed.
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PostSubject: Re: singers are the worst - part2   Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:53 am

ya what MM said ^^^^^^ Laughing

well we could go out and play some of my instrumentals????
it would only last 15-20 minutes though...lololol
heres a few from the "private" collection...they are on youtube but marked private so the general public can't see them anymore, but for you guys I can embed them here for viewing. geek



and, when you listen to these, can you tell I'm very "MOODY" ( happy/sad/mad/STONED) when I write stuff????

all these were on the OLD board.....






and ERIC, you want to see more and more of my older stuff....here's one from 2007 at a party...I'm never too embarrassed by what I do, and although this video sucks, who cares, it's all fun for me !!!! As soon as I can get more stuff into my computer, I'll show you some IronMaidenTribute videos....

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